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VogueVixens

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  • I understand that you want to be the first link in the chain, but usually new links (and replacements of those that were removed because they had expired) go to the bottom of the list.

    While your links (2 I moved and you replaced) were at one point on top, they had been legitimately removed by other users because the listing had expired in the meantime, and they happened to come across it.  That is the way this works, and when leaving links to expired listings up, you risk them being removed and lose "your spot". Not throwing stones - we all sometimes leave them up, and are all in the same boat. 

    I left your recent re-revisions, but please be aware, to avoid future contention.

    Best regards,

    tarna

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    • Hi Tarna,

      Are there clear rules posted somewhere specifically for the Pattern Wiki.  I did look, but didn't find any, and it would be very helpful if this information was easy to find.

      From discussions from other members of my pattern team, I have been given a strong impression that when a pattern Wiki member adds a link to a page, they should only remove sold and non-working links, but should leave inactive(expired) links from sites like Etsy, because it is likely that most links will be renewed.  Multiple Etsy pattern sellers have told me that they have been chastised by Tarna when they have removed expired Etsy links from the Wiki.  So I have always edited pages that I have added my links to - leaving expired links up (unless the Etsy shop has actually closed), removing sold and "bad" links, links to websites that no longer exist.

      Therefore, because my expired links were removed by other PatternWiki members, I thought that I was allowed to put these back up in exactly in the same place (as long as I renewed the listing).  

      When I have removed incorrect/bad links and links to sold items, there have been times where I get an email about the next edit, and I have checked to discover that one of the member has gone and put up a brand new link, in the old place (where their link used to be), not at the bottom of the list. 

      It is very frustrating to have to replace links to expired listings, especially for listings that have only been expired a few days or few weeks. And it's clear that the WIKI is HUGE and near impossible to manage/check everything for Administrators.  But if the point of the Vendors section is to help consumers to find these items, expired links have a chance of being a viable choice, but sold links do not (since the items are for sure 100% sold).    So I really don't understand why expired Etsy links are allowed to be removed by members, or focused on by Administrators, when there are lots of Wiki pages with links for items that sold as far back as 2009, and links to stand-alone websites that have been closed for years but the members left all their links on hundreds of pages...that are sorely in need of editing.  

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    • Hi,

      While I understand that it is time-consuming to have to re-add links that had expired and were removed by someone else, here is the raality:

      Yes, there may be a chance those expired etsy links come back, but then again, they may not, and there is no way of knowing - from a buyer/user perspective, the pattern is as unavailable as if it was sold. If we could re-instate a removed link that had been expired but we relisted later - is the cut-off a day, a week, a month, a year?   There is no way of telling how long a listing has been expired for those coming across the listing.  The clear rule is that new links go to the bottom - and that includes links that have to be added new because the expired one had been removed. That rule is posted on the About page, and it was kept simple to remove ambiguity.

      If we allowed this for etsy, we woudl need to allow it for ebay or any other site where the listings end and need to be renewed - it gets far too complicated and messy, and in the end, a user who is looking to find a pattern is left with endless "item not available" or "listing ended" type links, and will stop bothering. 

      I have not chastized anyone (to my knowledge) who removed a legitimately expired link, only those that removed links that were still valid at that time (usually it is done in error and/or haste).  I think the etsy team members who expressed that expired links should be left, spoke from personal preference, rather than anything expressed on the wiki.

      Nobody is targeting the expired listings in particular, but likely come across them as they are removong sold listings that are left behind by far too many sellers, as you pointed out.

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  • Hi,

    I have been spending some time editing and re-uploading your photos.  While the white margin works well on Etsy, it really does not display well here on the wiki.

    Could you upload them without the margin in the future?

    Best regards,

    tarna

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    • Is there a cropping tool on the Wiki that I can use?  Because I don't have a cropping tool on my computer. 

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    • I appreciate the pattern wiki, and try to add to this valuable resource.  But I don't understand why a few mm of space around a pattern envelope matter so much?

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    • Hi,

      No - there is not.  Use whichever image editing program you use to edit your pictures in the first place.

      Most computers do come with one built in, though... I am on a Mac and use Preview.  

      For Windows, there appear to be a few free apps you could use, including something called Fotor (not just for the wiki, but for all your shop pictures)

      Best regards,

      tarna

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    • To the second reply:

      It was a seemingly simple request that others have not minded when I asked them to change something, likely because they knew how to fix it.

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  • Hi,

    I wanted to clarify the use of the copyright symbol on pattern dating vs. using the ca.

    We only use © when the copyright is printed on the envelope or instructions.

    Ca. is used to indicate the likely date, when it is not printed anywhere on the pattern - usually gleaned from publications and associated pattern number ranges. 

    Let me know if you have any questions.

    Best regards,

    tarna

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    • Thanks for the clarification Tarna,

      What happened was that I got confused, since these were pages that I created on the Wiki, some very recently....

      I thought I was the one who had put the exact dates on them.  But now I realize that my original text was 1960s, 1970s, etc., and you or another member added more specific dates later based on information that doesn't come from the pattern envelope. 

      Will be more diligent in the future,

      VV

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