I don't. There are some postings where other people have put their own descriptions. I replace them if they leave out key elements like zipper closures, etc. Or I add the description from the newspaper, but I only take something out if there was nothing on the envelope and someone didn't describe it fully.
Those advance patterns had no description on them, as is common of that particular era. Those were self written descriptions. Mine included more detail than the originals (if there even was an original. Sometimes there isn't one on the wiki.)
If there's ever a question, you can look at my listing, because I post the envelope back there. Trust me, I wouldn't take time making up a description if I don't need to, but if someone else did -- and they do -- and didn't include details, I add them. Otherwise I just won't put a description on the wiki at all, but it seems to me that badly written descriptions that someone made up shouldn't be allowed. JMHO.
So I'm still not clear. If there is no description on the envelope, then do we not put one in at all? Because the ones you are talking about had no description on the envelope, but you said I took out the proper description from the envelope. I'm SO confused.
Not on mine, so how was I supposed to know? The description didn't mention a zipper.
I'm just going to add links from now on. This is why I stopped adding to the wiki so long ago. There's no way to keep all the rules straight. At least I can do links correctly. No offense, but I'm just going to stop adding anything else.
Thanks. I couldn't remember and probably just got lazy in looking. Sorry about the misplaced photos on some of the pages -- I just can't seem to add a second picture and have it land right, and suddenly I keep screwing up placement on some of the others. I blame chemo brain. :-)
I get these from newspaper clippings, and generally only change it if the date is earlier than the "circa" one. I've been doing some very detailed Ceil Chapman research, and am entering the earliest dates that I find.
I've never seen a Spadea pattern with a date actually on the pattern. On the envelope, yes, but envelopes get swapped out and aren't reliable as to whether or not they match the date of the pattern, IMHO.
But whatever.......I just won't change anything. I understand that you want the wiki to be standardized and all, but all this does is keep people from wanting to add to the wiki. I am working very hard on cataloguing my very extensive collection as well as the patterns I'm finding in my research. Change whatever you need to change to make it how you want it. I'm just trying to fill in holes in the wiki with the hard facts that I have.
I am sorry you see this as a knock on what you are doing. Your work and additions are appreciated. I was merely trying to make sure that we (not I) are accurate in documenting things, and to not assume that the information you have gathered is absolute. The ca. reflects that.
If you have specific information on a pattern being included in a particular publication, do add that publication and date - it would go a long way to documenting the dating assumptions.
P.S.: Many 1960s and 1970s Spadea patterns do have the copyright printed on the pattern. Some of the 1960s ones appear to have been re-issued from 1950s patterns, sometimes even with different illustrations.
Somehow on Hollywood 1710, I knocked out the photo of the pattern cover. Can you recover it, and put my counter book photo in next to it? I don't remember being asked if I wanted to override the photo name, but I screwed up somehow.